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    Posted: 23 Jan 2021 at 8:14am
Originally posted by podwerkz


As we've seen in another post, Forest River will gladly sell an owner a new $1100 fridge...and certainly the removal of the old unit, and installation of the new one will expose the user (and Forest River) to risk.
Makes no sense to me at all.




Annoying for sure but not really hard to understand. Follow the money. When FR sells you a fridge they make a profit from doing that, so they have made the business decision that the cost/risk to them from selling that fridge is worth it.

They do not make any money from selling the zamp or go solar or diy solar kit so they don’t have any incentive to help you with that. I’m not saying that’s right from a customer service point of view, just that that is how they think about it. Competition is fierce so they are always looking for places where they can reduce costs, and US based customer service departments with on call knowledgeable technical staff are expensive. We have all I’m sure noticed that most large companies that still do call center customer service do it in India or the Philippines. Low labor cost, good IT infrastructure, and decent English skills. Not too many travel trailers in India though so not a great option for FR. 😜
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 23 Jan 2021 at 8:35am
The automotive industry manufactures supply extensive information on the service and repair of their vehicles.  You can purchase OEM service manuals that contain very detailed step by step instructions on repairs.  This in necessary to allow independent service providers a chance to compete with the manufactures retail dealer service operations.  To deny this detailed information creates unfair restraints on trade and will land a manufacture in an unfair competition and anti-trust action.  

The same rules apply to RV manufacturers.  Their failure to provide adequate service information, such as wiring schematics for solar pre-wire configurations, is risky business and at some point, if the trend continues, they'll be having pre-prosecution meetings with DOJ anti-trust lawyers.  It also exposes them to product liability.  The failure to give adequate information for service and repair is often the basis for product liability actions.  It is quite foreseeable that a user will legitimately attempt repairs or installations of various systems such as a solar panel.  If the manufactures fails to provide adequate information about which wires are which and a user makes a reasonable attempt to connect a solar system but ends up burning up the RV and some of the occupants, it is a virtual certainty that FR will be invited to the party in court and will probably lose.

Fires in occupied RV are terrifying.  I know.  I represented a defendant in an RV fire many years ago and no one in the camper escaped without serious 3 degree burns.  When the jury looks at those horrible burn scars and hears each victim recount the terror of being trapped inside a burning RV, they are not inclined to give a manufacturer, who withheld information that could have prevented the fire, any break.  It would not be hard to prove that their desire to withhold information was profit driven, as OG suggested in his post.  If the plaintiffs proved it was more likely than not it was profit driven, it would probably result in a punitive damage award.  Ford learned that lesson with their infamous Pinto many years ago.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 23 Jan 2021 at 8:56am
Originally posted by offgrid



Annoying for sure but not really hard to understand. Follow the money.

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They do not make any money from selling the zamp or go solar or diy solar kit so they don’t have any incentive to help you with that. I’m not saying that’s right from a customer service point of view, just that that is how they think about it.

Sorta like buying a new $45,000 F-150 from Ford, and a week later calling and asking customer service where the trailer brake controller wiring connector is....and them not wanting to tell you this. Huh? Its PART OF THE PRODUCT! Is there a 'risk' that you might get hurt messing with trailers and wiring and all that? Well YES...but you BOUGHT the pickup (in part) because you can hook a trailer to it!

Sorry, this is WRONG thinking. Makes NO sense. Customer service is supposed to also be about customer retention and maintaining loyalty...so you will buy another one from them and recommend them to all your friends.

There is certainly an 'incentive' to build customer loyalty...or...there should be.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 23 Jan 2021 at 9:45am
All that said, the zamp connector is not located in a convenient place for actual solar use any way. On our RP179, the zamp connector is all the way at the back of the trailer, and the batteries are all the way in the front. Not useful in my opinion, as the back of the trailer is often where the shade is. So in actual use, you place the solar panels somewhere out in front of the trailer, and wire the controller directly to the batteries in the front.

IMO, the wiring for the zamp connector is just extra unneeded weight.

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The automotive industry is much more mature than the RV industry. The cost of entry to make rvs is minuscule compared to the tooling and engineering for cars and trucks. So there have been lots of smaller players who come and go. But now with FR, Jayco and a few others consolidating the market that is changing. It appears to be headed in the direction that the auto industry has gone. So I agree that we will likely end up with more standardized well documented products, with customer service provided by the dealer network. It might take some litigation to accelerate that. The downside of that of course will be less product variations being offered, and I think we’re seeing some of that too at least in the rpod lineup.

Is it wrong thinking? Sure of course in the long run, but that’s what happens when you let the bean counters make your business decisions (no offense meant to the accounting profession) in an effort to increase quarterly profits. If you don’t like it then you can always buy a low volume high cost RV from a brand more focussed on customer service, like say Nucamp’s Tab.

Re the solar ready issue, You can’t compare it to general customer service problems. It’s a completely different business arrangement for FR. You don’t think FR puts those solar companies’ labels in there for free do you? Most likely they have to direct customer inquiries to those solar companies or dealers. I did exactly that with a couple of home builders selling “solar ready” homes when I was doing biz dev for a solar manufacturer a few years ago.

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